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просто чел| Трушная оппозиция. Кручу верчу наебать хочу.

2019 Нояб.. 30, 00:08 [#1380]
аниме клевер не будут  продлять  151 серия последняя

походу это последняя арка с пиками
 

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2019 Нояб.. 30, 00:21 [#1382]
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  :ohunyanno

Леопольд| Игроки

2019 Нояб.. 30, 09:51 [#1383]
аниме клевер не будут  продлять  151 серия последняя

походу это последняя арка с пиками
Жаль.

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2019 Дек.. 3, 11:06 [#1384]
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So, personally, the thing that makes me angry about Black Clover is not that it's a bad story, this is not.

If it was aFairy Tail stuff, fanservice and without too many pretensions or who knows what interesting ideas ok. But a bit like in old Naruto, there are interesting or engaging ideas, but they are not respected or at least they are always chosen easy solutions that end up detracting from everything.

Examples?

The death of Julius, in manga usually the death or sacrifice of mentors is essential because it serves to mature the characters, to make them grow ..... here? It didn't help at all, the only one to know is Yami who doesn't change at all, and Asta finds out only too late and therefore it doesn't impact on him as it should, to make us understand is as if Naruto had discovered the death of Jiraya only during the fight with Pain.

Why instead not let Asta and the others know about it before, with the revelation of William's betrayal attached? Could we possibly have seen cracks inside the knights, between those who were in favor of wanting to punish William and those who were not, would Yuno have been willing to save his captain knowing what he had done? How would he behave? It would also have been a good opportunity to deepen the figure of Yuno.

The slaughter of the elves? Another wasted opportunity, could be exploited to ensure that Asta and the others opened their eyes to the nature of Clover, they understood that it is not necessarily all black and white, it could be exploited to make Noelle grow even more, which possibly even with the help of the wisest royals would have made amends for the actions of his ancestors ... instead here is the demon, a character who as villain is a huge smart-ass solution.

Clearly having made the elves of the poor victims and given that the good worked for the royals it was necessary to fill that void with a narratively comfortable character, who in one way or another became a scapegoat for the problems of the protagonists. Seriously, looking at the manga it seems that the mangaka says: "See children? It's the fault of this bad guy if the royals acted like assholes, the elves died and the relationship between Licth and Lumiere was ruined". Which then is the same thing you risk with Megicula now.

The trial of Asta? Still, despite the ridiculous premise was an interesting turning point, this turning point could be used to create rifts between the Magic Knigth, between those who wanted to save Asta and those who didn't. Yuno could still be deepened, made to choose between his duty and his family. We could better understand the discourse of the royal families and really understand who controls who. You could use this to make Asta mature and really open your eyes, maybe for a while we would have seen a different Asta, more cynical and disillusioned.

Instead? Unlikely solution coming down from the sky (and also senseless since over ten chapters you don't understand which way they should change their mind about Asta), no consequences for the characters or for the story (Asta has remained the same and the matter does not seem to have touched it for nothing on the personal side, ditto for the other characters in the manga).

The Heart Kingdom part? Still, despite the not so exciting premises, the thing could be structured as an adventure to know the kingdom, its inhabitants, its magic system ... instead, as usual, everything was hurried, we saw very little of the kingdom and there is no time to become attached to the characters or their stories,

These chapters? Maybe in the head of the author Asta who makes the cool saving of the oppressed poor is nice, but personally I feel like asking "But how did this come about? What do I care about these guys? Who knows them?"

Ditto for the matter of the Spade war, it was introduced too fast, what do I care about these three guys?

Who can guarantee me that they won't be a flash in the style of the much praised Diamond generals?


годный пост

Леопольд| Игроки

2019 Дек.. 3, 11:13 [#1385]
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So, personally, the thing that makes me angry about Black Clover is not that it's a bad story, this is not.

If it was aFairy Tail stuff, fanservice and without too many pretensions or who knows what interesting ideas ok. But a bit like in old Naruto, there are interesting or engaging ideas, but they are not respected or at least they are always chosen easy solutions that end up detracting from everything.

Examples?

The death of Julius, in manga usually the death or sacrifice of mentors is essential because it serves to mature the characters, to make them grow ..... here? It didn't help at all, the only one to know is Yami who doesn't change at all, and Asta finds out only too late and therefore it doesn't impact on him as it should, to make us understand is as if Naruto had discovered the death of Jiraya only during the fight with Pain.

Why instead not let Asta and the others know about it before, with the revelation of William's betrayal attached? Could we possibly have seen cracks inside the knights, between those who were in favor of wanting to punish William and those who were not, would Yuno have been willing to save his captain knowing what he had done? How would he behave? It would also have been a good opportunity to deepen the figure of Yuno.

The slaughter of the elves? Another wasted opportunity, could be exploited to ensure that Asta and the others opened their eyes to the nature of Clover, they understood that it is not necessarily all black and white, it could be exploited to make Noelle grow even more, which possibly even with the help of the wisest royals would have made amends for the actions of his ancestors ... instead here is the demon, a character who as villain is a huge smart-ass solution.

Clearly having made the elves of the poor victims and given that the good worked for the royals it was necessary to fill that void with a narratively comfortable character, who in one way or another became a scapegoat for the problems of the protagonists. Seriously, looking at the manga it seems that the mangaka says: "See children? It's the fault of this bad guy if the royals acted like assholes, the elves died and the relationship between Licth and Lumiere was ruined". Which then is the same thing you risk with Megicula now.

The trial of Asta? Still, despite the ridiculous premise was an interesting turning point, this turning point could be used to create rifts between the Magic Knigth, between those who wanted to save Asta and those who didn't. Yuno could still be deepened, made to choose between his duty and his family. We could better understand the discourse of the royal families and really understand who controls who. You could use this to make Asta mature and really open your eyes, maybe for a while we would have seen a different Asta, more cynical and disillusioned.

Instead? Unlikely solution coming down from the sky (and also senseless since over ten chapters you don't understand which way they should change their mind about Asta), no consequences for the characters or for the story (Asta has remained the same and the matter does not seem to have touched it for nothing on the personal side, ditto for the other characters in the manga).

The Heart Kingdom part? Still, despite the not so exciting premises, the thing could be structured as an adventure to know the kingdom, its inhabitants, its magic system ... instead, as usual, everything was hurried, we saw very little of the kingdom and there is no time to become attached to the characters or their stories,

These chapters? Maybe in the head of the author Asta who makes the cool saving of the oppressed poor is nice, but personally I feel like asking "But how did this come about? What do I care about these guys? Who knows them?"

Ditto for the matter of the Spade war, it was introduced too fast, what do I care about these three guys?

Who can guarantee me that they won't be a flash in the style of the much praised Diamond generals?


годный пост
Всё так.
Проблема Клевера сейчас в том, что он развивается слишком быстро. Многие моменты можно было продумать лучше.
Думаю во всём виновать онгоинг и спешка автора. Было бы у него время всё это как следует продумать, то вероятно он бы не упустил кучу возможностей описанных в том посте.

просто чел| Трушная оппозиция. Кручу верчу наебать хочу.

2019 Дек.. 5, 12:14 [#1386]
проблема клевера в том, что  поверхностно галопом проскакали по государствам

к примеру за счет чего живет сердце?

пики?  :dalton

покрыто мраком

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:19 [#1387]
проблема клевера в том, что  поверхностно галопом проскакали по государствам

к примеру за счет чего живет сердце?

пики? 

покрыто мраком
С другой стороны если бы раскрывали всё и вся, то многим бы это не нравилось. В онгоинге это было бы как с ВП, где на статистов уделяют очень много времени.
Насчет смерти Юлия, автор будто простебал клише, когда смерь кого-то важного подводит к толчку гг. Хоть мне и не понравился этот ход.

просто чел| Трушная оппозиция. Кручу верчу наебать хочу.

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:28 [#1388]
почитал  спойлеры чушня какая-то
 

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2019 Дек.. 5, 16:35 [#1389]
from blackcow twitter
13 pages
charmy is fat
fan service spread
yuno looks the same
girls bathe together as asta went to get charmy
vice captain yuno
difficult to see new logo for squad


 :grumpy

просто чел| Трушная оппозиция. Кручу верчу наебать хочу.

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:41 [#1391]
Тупастеру такое не светит  :snide
 

Caesar Klaun| Величайший ученый

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:42 [#1392]
Тупастеру такое не светит  :snide
да, жирным он 100% не станет :pepe_clown
 

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:43 [#1393]
Видимо полный проходняк, еще и 13 страниц.  :grumpy
 

просто чел| Трушная оппозиция. Кручу верчу наебать хочу.

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:44 [#1394]
 

просто чел| Трушная оппозиция. Кручу верчу наебать хочу.

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:44 [#1395]
Видимо полный проходняк, еще и 13 страниц.  :grumpy

 :grumpy
 

Caesar Klaun| Величайший ученый

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:45 [#1396]
Есть предложение! Пари! На нового командира Золотого Рассвета! Ставка 10к крох!
Варианты:
1)Ванджанс(остался командиром как прежде)
2)Лангрисс
3)Левый чувак
ваши варианты писать под этот пост!!!

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:45 [#1397]
Астер накаченный карлан  :snide
Забавная комплектация тела.

Caesar Klaun| Величайший ученый

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:46 [#1398]
Off-Topic: показать

 :Downey :ohmy :pervert :antonio

просто чел| Трушная оппозиция. Кручу верчу наебать хочу.

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:47 [#1399]
глава полный трэшак похоже

прилетели нагупали статистонов

улетели в сердце

пошли мыться в ваннах  и жрать

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:48 [#1400]
 :disgusted
 

просто чел| Трушная оппозиция. Кручу верчу наебать хочу.

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:49 [#1401]
походу вторжение откладывается  :dalton

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:50 [#1402]
Кстати, Женек, Астер видимо по силе должен быть такого же лвл как Юно, правда думаю он рангом пониже. Но до капитана как рукой подать.

Caesar Klaun| Величайший ученый

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:50 [#1403]
походу вторжение откладывается  :dalton
генералы пик тоже моются
Off-Topic: показать
в 3 :asplanned2

просто чел| Трушная оппозиция. Кручу верчу наебать хочу.

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:52 [#1404]
Кстати, Женек, Астер видимо по силе должен быть такого же лвл как Юно, правда думаю он рангом пониже. Но до капитана как рукой подать.

вот когда станет  капитаном тогда и поговорим а так он

в изгнании

может  хоть  чему то  научится у пик

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:54 [#1405]
вот когда станет  капитаном тогда и поговорим а так он
Но он не станет капитаном, при живом Ямми. Здесь такая же ситуация как в Наруто, когда Наруто был сильнее Какаши, но был еще в его подчинении.

Caesar Klaun| Величайший ученый

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:55 [#1406]
вот когда станет  капитаном тогда и поговорим а так он

в изгнании

может  хоть  чему то  научится у пик
да какой из него капитан, я ещё могу понять Ямми, он харизматичный не смотря на то, что амбал, Аста же просто тупой качок :idunno

2019 Дек.. 5, 16:58 [#1407]
да какой из него капитан, я ещё могу понять Ямми, он харизматичный не смотря на то, что амбал, Аста же просто тупой качок
Он еще как бы КМ стремится стать.
Но вообще,  Астер скорее перепрыгнет пост капитана, а вот Юно вполне может стать в конце капитаном вместо Ванджанса.

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2019 Дек.. 5, 17:23 [#1408]


ухуярили гарнизон у пик  :antonio

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2019 Дек.. 5, 17:24 [#1409]